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Any1 up for levelling a char slowly in time for Wotlk?
Logged on today to find nobody I had on my friends list around (go figure), but thought it might be good to level a low level or/ new char in time for the expansion. Nothing drastic, just for shits and giggles.
If we get enough, we can also do loads of instance runs too, which helps!
I was thinking of levelling either a Shadow Priest (new), my Huntard (lvl 22), or my Paladin Holy/Prot (lvl 6).
Depending on who we get, it would mean having at least 1 tank/1healer/1-3dps
Any takers, say once or twice a week? Pref for me would be Wed 9-12 GT and Sun anytime
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EDIT - Who is playing what and when
Ctpuk - KJELLYBEAN (Priest - lvl.10) - Wed/Sun & some Fridays
Avoch - RAZMODIAN (Druid - lvl.10)
Grindcore - GRINDCORETTE (Paladin - lvl.14)
Viruk - ???
Tigerias - MEMOTOSELF (Shaman)
Killfromafar - POLYFROMAFAR (Mage - lvl.20+)
Narsug - ???
Haldurion - AZLON (Druid - lvl.20+)
Could do with some Dps ppl - Lock/Hunter/Rogue etc
I'd be up for that, although not sure what I'd make. Only things I could probably play are a mage (to show Kj how to do it properly :p), a druid or possibly a rogue. I'd be more inclined towards a druid though because of their versatility.
Setting a time would be cool, we could probably blitz content if there were a few of us.
grindcore
17-07-2008, 17:42
I'm currently leveling a Paladin (lvl 9), although I'm probably initially gonna play it a bit more than few hours once a week as I cba doing much on my Rogue atm. Planning to level him up as Retri and do instances as much as possible (playing healer role ofc), switching to Holy at 60 or before if I get enough folks to run instances with. Might try Prot too if there's a lack of tanks :)
The name's Grindcorette.
It was just an idea to gauge people's reactions, plus it gets away from the boring grind (and you never know, we could have a full group running around doing all the shizz we need to pretty quickly!)
Druid is always good, you can go teddy to tank or/ resto and heal, ur call really, depends on what you'd prefer to AoE tank with - your drood or my pala - if thats the way we go
More plix, and suggest some times of the week (and try not jumping ahead if others arent around...)
well, we may have 2 tanks then.
I'm against levelling a warrior or rogue myself, as I have my druid (which is better than both!)
Prob opt for a Priest then, if this is what we can expect. Let Avie go Resto/balance, or I can go Shadow and heal a little?
Bump for Hald/Grint/Twist/Uriel/KJ/Nite/Hinch/Viruk/Leonti/Sajaru/Truedark/Tigerias/Killfromafar/Fridge/Pulsi etc
not gonna happen i'm affraid
Meh, well, worth a try. Suppose you were pretty busy in August onwards anyway
I don't mind healing or tanking, doubt I'd do balance though as its a bent spec.
As for times, I'm free whenever basically.
Could make a go of it from this Sunday then if we have people around.
Ideally, we'd have someone with CC (ie a mage), but an MC from me would be okay for a while I suppose.
Keep expressing interest guys and gals
grindcore
17-07-2008, 19:32
We could set a goal instance for each week and level ourselves up to required level then run it, wouldn't be too much of a stretch? Or I dunno. Doing quests or grinding with a group probably won't be as fun, but yet again, I dunno :/
I'm away from Sunday morning till next Thursday btw :(
with the new changes you can do 0 - 70 in 6 days play time anyway at least thats what I did on the hunter but 0-45 of that was before they boosted pre-60 xp gains from quests
I MAY have gotten through to Carch lol, but I doubt it.
Anyway Hinch, I said you could play my account from time to time if you want so no need to level anything.
Still waiting for more ppl to express interest. Get this message to a few of the old lot!
I should be around Sunday to start Ctp, you just have to make sure you don't shout at me on MSN when I'm in a full screen application as it blocks MSN noises!
I think I'll re-subscribe too after I come back from my vacation in mid August. So if you're still around I'll try to catch up and start leveling some alt :)
i'm on holiday from 7th-22nd Aug, so if you need to catch up then Saj you are more than welcome.
Atm we have:
Me - Sh. Priest (Badkarma or something like that, yet to decide, herb/skinning or/ herb/Engin.)
Avie - Druid?
Grindcore - Pala?
Viruk - ???
Spaces for Mage/Lock/Shaman/Hunter/Rogue - seems pointless having a warrior with 2 tankable classes involved.
Plan would be to do quests in groups of 2 (so that gathering quests don't take forever, and killing quests are done asap) and then join up as a group to do instances whenever we can.
Still got to see the replies on facebook for Caras/Leonti/Grint etc, add to that Killfromafar has been pointed here by Grind. Not been able to contact Uriel/Nite/TD/Bordahr etc yet...
Carcharoth MIGHT be coming back for 1/2 nights a week in the expansion, i'm dangling a carrot in front of him on msn whenever I can.
I'm game for some leveling, both my 70's just do some casual raiding when i feel like it. So would not lean towards playing priest or warrior...could play warlock tbh...keep me posted on the schedule.
ill play lock think hes lvl 21 ish or something like that free mount and all im a cheapscate :)
Killfromafar
18-07-2008, 13:16
Yeah Iv'e been pointed here lol, im up for leveling a new char hehe, I've never tried a mage before so I think I'll level one of them up, think I'll call it Sheepfromafar. Skinning and herbalism proffs while leveling for the moneyz. When is this all happening?
starting levelling tonight
Trying to think of priest names
"Itsnotlupus" - house reference
"Priestitiute"
"Iwinfretz"
"Tauntifuwant" / "Tauntplz"
"Healarybuff" - as in Hillary Duff, although might be too long
"Perineum" - or Perryneum to hide it a bit
"Hotsawce"
Killfromafar
18-07-2008, 17:58
What about "Healyourself" or "Useabandage" or "Haveaplaster" hehe ^^
Im in AV atm lol xD
starting levelling tonight
Should post here to say what level you/we are at so we can keep track. Going to the cinema tonight so I'll have to catch up when I get back.
any picks on those names?
Killfromafar
18-07-2008, 18:03
I like Priestitute myself
Killfromafar
18-07-2008, 18:07
You could be my Priestitute, I have a strong pimp hand
grindcore
18-07-2008, 19:24
Should post here to say what level you/we are at so we can keep track. Going to the cinema tonight so I'll have to catch up when I get back.
Maybe keep the first post up to date naming the alts, their players and their current level? And everyone can post in this thread to say what level they are :>
Can do, still not convinced about Preistitute, as I think ppl have seen that one too many times before
EDIT - Turns out it's in use
Cptfadeaway is prob my pick now, seeing as the rest are in use
First post edited with player details
Both Kill and I started 2 new chars, I named mine after one of our esteemed colleagues...
grindcore
18-07-2008, 23:06
My Paladin's name is Grindcorette, lvl 14 atm. I'm on a pretty loose schedule, can't really tell any fixed days when I can play and when not. But when we get to scheduling an instance or something, I'll be there for sure.
tfarcrawlord
19-07-2008, 10:48
I might be able to get a wow account so I can tagg along if that's okay with you guys?
The more the marrier ;-) Shaman lvl 5 atm, Memotoself
PULSI!!! start leveling something!
Haldurion
19-07-2008, 14:16
I second Kill's suggestion, myself I have 1 of each class currently pala/shaman/warrior @70 ... the rest are spread between lvl 25 and 60 so let me know which you want and I can boost your guys through dungeons until we are on par if you like.
Killfromafar
19-07-2008, 21:39
I made a suggestion? I just thought I made jokes? Show me this suggestion!
Haldurion
20-07-2008, 06:05
Priestitute
So at what level are we meeting up where?
PULSI!!! start leveling something!
Not going to waste any more money nor time in WoW. I just lost the fun. I farmed that game for almost 4 years and now the "farming makes me happy"-glass is empty :(
Priestitute and Healerybuff were taken, so I named it Kjellybean!
I'd say level asap to barrens (12 or so) then we can do RFC together and DM/WC @ 17/18.
If we say we'll do instance runs on Sundays, probably easy enough that way.
I myself won't be around til this evening, so if we concentrate on levelling and can go on TS if people so wish just to annoy each other. Start running WC/DM next weekend (could do RFC on Wednesday evening if people are up to that level)
I can be at RFC level by Wednesday, at the moment its come down to me forcing myself to play, lol
grindcore
20-07-2008, 15:36
I'll hold my horses and keep my Pally at lvl 14ish for now then, don't want to rush ahead. I'm out of town and can't properly play till Thursday this week, if you can get a group together to do RFC on Wed go ahead ;>
Could plan WC/DM for Sunday or is it too much of a push?
grindcore
20-07-2008, 17:03
Also, ideally, once we're 20+, we could aim to not quest at all and just run instances, planning the days when we can play together. It's not so much that I don't want to kill 10 ogres all over again and search for some guy's lost backpack or deliver some guy's love letter, it's just that doing instances with a cool group is just so much more worth the time spent on the game.
Looking at http://www.wowwiki.com/Instances_by_level we can practically level only by running instances. Running the same instances several times > questing imo, we can make it more fun by tricky pulls, swapping chars, whatever :>
Can do, if we can get enough people to do that consistantly. Personally I'm looking forward to doing Strat, Scholo and BRS again, although that's a while off :D
grindcore
20-07-2008, 18:58
Can do, if we can get enough people to do that consistantly. Personally I'm looking forward to doing Strat, Scholo and BRS again, although that's a while off :D
Same here! Can't get enough of the good old feeling of Baron runs or Scholo mini-bosses. Also, SM library/cath/armory should be really cool and if we put a bit of effort into it and get an active group going few times a week, we'll be there in a few weeks or a month tops :>
Killfromafar
21-07-2008, 01:16
What if someone is part chineese and races to 70 because they have no life> ^^ *Blushes* :p
truedark
21-07-2008, 10:08
I might come back to the game after the summer. Not sure im gonna level a new char tho. I still find some joy in my warr =)
Killfromafar
21-07-2008, 10:29
Come back TD, I been saving a special hug just for you
I might come back to the game after the summer. Not sure im gonna level a new char tho. I still find some joy in my warr =)
We are just levelling new chars to have a laugh with old FA people pre-expansion, our aim is to spam old instances:
RFC --> DMi --> WC --> SFK --> BFD --> RFK --> RFD --> GNO --> SM --> ULD --> MAR --> BRD --> LBRS --> SCH --> DiM --> STR --> UBRS
The more the merrier tbh (if you are a huntard/rogue/lock...)
go for priestitute since i have dibs on the paradox healer name "Placebo" =D
But anyone leveling a lock could go for Paradots.
As i said, Priestitute and Healerybuff were taken, so it's Kjellybean
Heeeello, me back! ^^ lvling an lock now named "peqachu"
If you slow down a little, we can do instances like we used to as a group - without having any1 too high a level to practically boost the others
I'll be online tonight from about 7pm - 11pm GT. Would be good to get up to the level required to do RFC tonight with a few of you.
I'll come on before then to get to 14 or so ready for it.
Didnt make it, and when i did login i did MH...with my alt...in offspec healing with 1550+ heal...we downed the second boss though, imagine that. Memotoself will catch up. Aiming for WC wednesday?
RFC wed atleast, maybe Deadmines (as its lower than WC)
i honestly never done DM ... not Dire Maul at all and only Deadmines as alliance. Isnt it a lot of work to just get a parrot pet?
We're doing that because we can... and for no other reason imo :]
Kjeldoran
22-07-2008, 15:06
I'd be up for that, although not sure what I'd make. Only things I could probably play are a mage (to show Kj how to do it properly :p), a druid or possibly a rogue. I'd be more inclined towards a druid though because of their versatility.
Setting a time would be cool, we could probably blitz content if there were a few of us.
You'll NEVER, and I mean NOT EVER EVER be a better mage then I am. For starters, you don't possess the skill of dying ;-)
But hey, plz do waste your time lvl'ing up a mage to lvl 70 just to try and beat me ;)
rgds Kj
Kjeldoran
22-07-2008, 15:17
Priestitute and Healerybuff were taken, so I named it Kjellybean!
I'd say level asap to barrens (12 or so) then we can do RFC together and DM/WC @ 17/18.
If we say we'll do instance runs on Sundays, probably easy enough that way.
I myself won't be around til this evening, so if we concentrate on levelling and can go on TS if people so wish just to annoy each other. Start running WC/DM next weekend (could do RFC on Wednesday evening if people are up to that level)
Plz do explain to me how you go from "Priestitute" and "Healerybuff" to Kjellybean. I mean ... no seriously, plz do show me the link ??? :)
rgds Kj
You'll NEVER, and I mean NOT EVER EVER be a better mage then I am. For starters, you don't possess the skill of dying ;-)
But hey, plz do waste your time lvl'ing up a mage to lvl 70 just to try and beat me ;)
rgds Kj
what KJ is trying to say is... you will never die as many times as him! :P
You'll NEVER, and I mean NOT EVER EVER be a better mage then I am. For starters, you don't possess the skill of dying ;-)
I bet a could write a bot that was a better mage :p
How hard can it be? Just have it spam one button and ignore threat meters ;)
Kjeldoran
23-07-2008, 13:20
I bet a could write a bot that was a better mage :p
How hard can it be? Just have it spam one button and ignore threat meters ;)
Ok, while the last part might be true (yet painful), we actually do use a variaty of spells to do the "normal" dmg, on trash and such. At bossfights, depending which boss, we use alot more buttons m8 :)
If you manage to write a bot that is a better mage then me then I'll quit playing this game. But tbh, I'm not the least worried about this hehe.
Kjeldoran
23-07-2008, 13:22
what KJ is trying to say is... you will never die as many times as him! :P
Yet funny how I still managed to end along the top dps'ers on our meters during raids ... while being the DPS'er that probably dies the most :)
Becides, if I died then that means either the tank or the priest have failed ;)
/me expect to be flamed for this ;-)
Yet funny how I still managed to end along the top dps'ers on our meters during raids ... while being the DPS'er that probably dies the most :)
Becides, if I died then that means either the tank or the priest have failed ;)
/me expect to be flamed for this ;-)
Just think what you could have done if you worked out what the concept of a threat list was ;)
It's not the tanks job to out aggro everyone else, nor is it the healers job to handle people that aspire to be tanks but just aren't cut out for it :D
Kjeldoran
23-07-2008, 14:07
Just think what you could have done if you worked out what the concept of a threat list was ;)
It's not the tanks job to out aggro everyone else, nor is it the healers job to handle people that aspire to be tanks but just aren't cut out for it :D
I know that, hence why I was only kidding.
Despite of what you may think, I actually do watch the threatmeter all the time. If you ever played a firemage in endgame instances, which has a crit heavy spec, you'd know that our DPS outcome is the most flexible one of all DPS'ers.
I did dmg between the range of 2500 and 6000 and this without using any pots or CD's etc ... it's just how 33% crit chance works, combined with spelldmg effects from others in the group.
It also works both way. A bad tank will hold up a mage (or any DPS'er). A bad tank means I cannot do DPS as I should and could while playing with a very good tank.
And well, fact is that mages have the least health of all classes. mage gear has the least health stats of all char gear. And at endgame, a single hit can already mean the deathblow for a mage ...
Nway, you know all of this so I don't know why I'm telling this again ;-)
Regardless, it's always the fault of the healers (if we can't blame the tanks).
rgds Kj
I have all 3 character classes - Tank (Druid), Mage, Healer (Shaman)
I can honestly say I don't see the real problems people have with playing any of the classes. It's all about practising your abilities and using the proper rotations/rank of spells at the right time.
Heck, i'm a clicker, and I can still out-tank, out-heal, out-dps probably half of the people on Al'Akir.
The problem with any game like this, is half the playerbase will always be poor/unskilled/stupid. Take a single run to SFK I was on with my alt hunter yesterday. I trapped a mob, and the healer decided to hit it and then wondered why the tank wasn't picking it up... /sigh...
One final point to mention, Mage is by far the EASIEST class i've played, could be interesting to try it out when I hit 70 though.
Kjeldoran
23-07-2008, 15:31
One final point to mention, Mage is by far the EASIEST class i've played, could be interesting to try it out when I hit 70 though.
Well yes, mages are.
DPS is always far easier then tanking or healing. Ranged DPS then again is easier then melee who need to watch their positioning aswell, which is a far less issue for a ranged DPS.
So that leaves a lock, Spriest, hunter and a mage. The Shadow Priest is more a support class as it has to provide mana for the healers and other mana users. Locks on the other hand have dots to apply and time (to optimise the dmg). Hunters probably have to worry about their pet aswell, ifnot they're piss easy to play aswell.
All things that a mage is not worried about. Let's face it, mages only goal is to deal dmg and, in some circumstances, bother with the croud control.
So Ctp, while mages are the easiest class to play, don't underestimate the CC we're responsible for. For most, it just seems so obvious to sheep something within the very second etc ... If that's the case then why isn't the sheeping perfect, regardless which mage and in what guild?
This being said, I'd like to quote Carch who once said something like "there are alot of decent mages, only very few real good ones".
The difference between both comes with details. Details in spec and details in spell rotation. I bet, Ctp, that at lvl 70 you'd have no clue what the best spell rotation is for a mage (let's say fire mage), taking into account, aggro, maximum dmg, mana management, ...
Because it can completely change when e.g. you get a new epic which boost one specific aspect (be it dmg, crit, hit or haste) ... Some spells are better used for crit heavy specs, others are better for a more consistent spec with less peaks.
Regardless whether it's the easiest class or not, playing a mage in endgame instances, and doing a good job, is far more complicated as you or avie make it appear.
I mean, the sheer thought of making a mage bot and let it do raids is hilarious, it'd be the worst mage ever seen imo.
But hey, none of you have ever played a mage in endgame content. I aggree that leveling up and farming (rep, gold or mats) is damn easy as a mage and indeed requires 1-2 buttons at max.
rgds Kj
IN response to 'kj dying'...who's fault is it really?
1) The tank for not having enough HP (KJ dies second) or threat (KJ dies first)
2) The healer for not keeping kj up?
3) General dps for not killing the boss fast enough before KJ's HP runs out?
4) The raidleader for inviting KJ?
5) Omen-people who designed a threat-meter everyone understands but KJ?
6) Magic: The gathering from which i think KJ has gotten his name for inventing KJ?
7) Blizzard for all obvious reasons?
Anyone else got suggestions to add? Should we make a poll? "Who dunnit?"
7) Blizzard for all obvious reasons?
definitely 7), and to some degree all the rest lol.. no one is innocent!
I find these discussions a bit silly when you step back from them. WoW isn't an incredibly intricate and complex game that requires an immense degree of skill or talent to get by in terms of regular PvE.
Sure you have people that are completely and utterly hopeless, then you have the average joe who is a newbie or doesn't quite understand the mechanics of mmos, then you have the majority of people who have a reasonable idea of what to do ad do it, and finally a small amount of people who do some number crunching and research and put effort into trying to maximize at whatever role they play.
It all comes down to knowledge about the game and the works, and experience imo. Once you've done a raid encounter a few times the number of unknown or new variables/problems you have to deal with comes close to none, so you enter into a routine with some minor variations - the routines differ in respect to how much the person knows about the game and how much of a lazy bastard they feel like being at the time =P
Now PvP is something entirely diff that requires quick reactions and adaptive strategy/tactical approach although some generalizations can be made.
grindcore
24-07-2008, 12:52
I like what Caras said. At the end of the day, you don't need 25 people who read elitistjerks.com 4 hours a day and make spreadsheets in Excel to calculate how to heal more or DPS more or tank better.
You need people who are there, at the keyboard, paying attention, doing their job, not being stupid.
That's all you need to kill all the bosses in the game. What's the conclusion? ;)
Kjeldoran
24-07-2008, 13:37
IN response to 'kj dying'...who's fault is it really?
1) The tank for not having enough HP (KJ dies second) or threat (KJ dies first)
2) The healer for not keeping kj up?
3) General dps for not killing the boss fast enough before KJ's HP runs out?
4) The raidleader for inviting KJ?
5) Omen-people who designed a threat-meter everyone understands but KJ?
6) Magic: The gathering from which i think KJ has gotten his name for inventing KJ?
7) Blizzard for all obvious reasons?
Anyone else got suggestions to add? Should we make a poll? "Who dunnit?"
1) Always the case :)
2) Yes, I thought each warrior and then myself has a dedicated healer, no?
3) My HP cannot run out ... it's either there (and then I live) or I get hit, then it's gone. There is no inbetween for mages
4) Raidleader AND Guildleader
5) I do understand how threatmeters work. Do you understand how mage DPS works?
6) correct
7) True
My parents should be reason #8
I like what Caras said. At the end of the day, you don't need 25 people who read elitistjerks.com 4 hours a day and make spreadsheets in Excel to calculate how to heal more or DPS more or tank better.
You need people who are there, at the keyboard, paying attention, doing their job, not being stupid.
That's all you need to kill all the bosses in the game. What's the conclusion? ;)
I think the main reason people put so much effort in to number crunching is because they want to improve on themselves as much as they can to the point where they get to say that they are waiting for the rest of the raid group to catch up. Probably part of the problem with people wanting to guild hop as soon as they don't get their shinies really, that and the whole misunderstanding of what progress is (directed at any of the idiots we had bitching when we were doing Kael).
I like to tune myself to perfection when it comes to stats and what not, but as long as people head in the general correct direction then thats just as good really, just depends how seriously you take it all. I used to spend hours in Neocron tuning my characters and setups perfectly so that every point was in the best place it could be.
grindcore
24-07-2008, 18:17
I rather like knowing some good class tactics and tips too. I also use a standard rating calculator for evaluating my Rogue gear as it gets messy with +agi/AP/hit/crit/expertise/haste.
IMO to be a successful guild/raider, knowing all the mechanics..well, they help, but they aren't the primary reason why a good raider is considered good. A good raider is good because he pays attention, does what's expected of him and doesn't slack/alt tab and waste time. The latter being perhaps the most important when it comes to raiding on a good level. Not buffing, not drinking mana fast enough, not looting, not moving with the group, not responding to ready checks ----> wasted time. Less time to practice bosses, less time to get loot from farm bosses to move to instances that require better gear...etc.
The MMORPG "being good" is a bit different from the FPS or MMOFPS experience, I believe. Raiding in WoW first and foremost wants to have your eyes nailed on the screen for hours in a row, not making mistakes. Not looking elsewhere, not taking breaks. It's the way to be successful. Whereas in a FPS you could schedule a match for an hour, do your best for your clan and when the hour's over, the game's over. :/
The MMORPG "being good" is a bit different from the FPS or MMOFPS experience, I believe. Raiding in WoW first and foremost wants to have your eyes nailed on the screen for hours in a row, not making mistakes. Not looking elsewhere, not taking breaks. It's the way to be successful. Whereas in a FPS you could schedule a match for an hour, do your best for your clan and when the hour's over, the game's over. :/
Well the key difference is 95% of MMORPGs don't require you to have decent twitch reactions or be able to aim, which a lot of people just can't manage. Most people can manage to be skilled through experience though, as its something we do all the time in real life without knowing it.
grindcore
24-07-2008, 22:38
Well the key difference is 95% of MMORPGs don't require you to have decent twitch reactions or be able to aim, which a lot of people just can't manage. Most people can manage to be skilled through experience though, as its something we do all the time in real life without knowing it.
True. Another thing you might not see in today's "realistic" oneshot FPS games but what really made the man out of you back in the day (UT, Q3, etc) was skill in strafing, dodging, jumping with different combos to avoid the enemy's fire and at the same time aim well to bust their ass. Hell, I've never had such adrenaline bursts in a computer game as UT-instagib CTF nations cups. Probably never will. A boss kill in WoW compared to capping or returning a flag in top level instagib.. Sheesh :>
It just took the game to a whole different level, having to move perfectly, aim perfectly and constantly change tactical positions and focus on the objective in the middle of it all.
1) Always the case :)
2) Yes, I thought each warrior and then myself has a dedicated healer, no?
3) My HP cannot run out ... it's either there (and then I live) or I get hit, then it's gone. There is no inbetween for mages
4) Raidleader AND Guildleader
5) I do understand how threatmeters work. Do you understand how mage DPS works?
6) correct
7) True
My parents should be reason #8
I didnt want to put up #8 as i was afraid it might offend you ;-) And i have no clue as to how mage dps works... maybe something like Threat = DMG X KJ-factor / no salvation = DEATH.
What generally helps is people listening to tactics (reading up does fuck all for people knowing how to play). We where raiding gruul and maggy the other day and supposedly we were way undergeared for MH..but since we finished way early and didnt have anywhere else to go because of slack mages we went anyway...one-shotting Rage and got Anetheron to 10% on a first try with people being new to the fights.
Kjeldoran
25-07-2008, 14:09
True. Another thing you might not see in today's "realistic" oneshot FPS games but what really made the man out of you back in the day (UT, Q3, etc) was skill in strafing, dodging, jumping with different combos to avoid the enemy's fire and at the same time aim well to bust their ass. Hell, I've never had such adrenaline bursts in a computer game as UT-instagib CTF nations cups. Probably never will. A boss kill in WoW compared to capping or returning a flag in top level instagib.. Sheesh :>
It just took the game to a whole different level, having to move perfectly, aim perfectly and constantly change tactical positions and focus on the objective in the middle of it all.
So what you're saying is that my strafing, dodging and jumping during a bossfight is useless ???
NOW they tell me !!!
Kjeldoran
25-07-2008, 14:14
I didnt want to put up #8 as i was afraid it might offend you ;-) And i have no clue as to how mage dps works... maybe something like Threat = DMG X KJ-factor / no salvation = DEATH.
Yes it offends, me, you git !!! ;)
And my point was that mage dps is the most unpredictable dps as it's far more based on crit and the difference between the Min and Max dmg of the same spell, for a mage, is huge ...
E.g. if you normally hit for 400 melee and you crit, it's 800 ... then you know you need to calm down if the threat is 1000.
Now, let's say the treat is 5000 and I have 1500 threat ... I figure I can do another spell without taking aggro ... my spelldmg varies between 2500 (means I won't aggro) and 6000 (means I have the aggro) ...
Melee does less dmg but far more frequent. Mages have a 3s casting time but with huge dmg bursts ...
Hence why it's unpredictable and why it's "common" for ranged DPS and mages in particular to pull the aggro (not taking into account any aggrodump skills ofc).
rgds Kj
If your close to aggro use a lower level spell as they generate fuck all threat
On my priest if i chain cast gearter heal rank 7 i have huge aggro, but if i chain cast rank 1 i have about 300 threat the entire fight.
Anyway whats that got to do with the thread!
remember that you got to abuse the ranged pull factor ;-) its like an extra 30% isnt it?
Kjeldoran
25-07-2008, 15:16
If your close to aggro use a lower level spell as they generate fuck all threat
On my priest if i chain cast gearter heal rank 7 i have huge aggro, but if i chain cast rank 1 i have about 300 threat the entire fight.
And thereby fuck all dmg either :)
And I'm not talking about close gaps like 1k only ... I4m talking about gaps of 3-4k ... normally enough for 1 spell, unless you do an crit of 6k, which comes due to several dmg boosts and procs etc ...
I've never pulled aggro from a tank, because I leave a big enough buffer to know that if I get a crit chain (which isn't uncommon as Fury really) the tank will still be ahead. I certainly wouldn't leave it so close that one spell could tip the balance :D
Killfromafar
25-07-2008, 16:51
Didn't this thread use to be about something else?
grindcore
25-07-2008, 18:26
What thread?
Kjeldoran
28-07-2008, 13:18
I've never pulled aggro from a tank, because I leave a big enough buffer to know that if I get a crit chain (which isn't uncommon as Fury really) the tank will still be ahead. I certainly wouldn't leave it so close that one spell could tip the balance :D
Avie, your averagve crits are not even as high as my normal non-crit spells ... so don't compare those. There's a reason why we need 3 seconds to cast a spell ...
Nway, if you wanna max your dps, you need to walk that thin line and well ... sometimes you cross it and you die :)
Haldurion
28-07-2008, 13:23
I approve of Caras' post
Avie, your averagve crits are not even as high as my normal non-crit spells ... so don't compare those. There's a reason why we need 3 seconds to cast a spell ...
Nway, if you wanna max your dps, you need to walk that thin line and well ... sometimes you cross it and you die :)
If you do a 6K crit, which took 3 seconds to cast, that's 2K damage per second plus a bit more for ticks and whatnot. In one second I can do 4K+ damage with ease, so really it is very, very much in my power to pull aggro should I choose to narrow my threat buffer down so fine that it starts getting risky.
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