View Full Version : FA.WoW general missconception
Kjeldoran
09-10-2008, 16:40
After reading several requests to be added to FA.WoW due to the fact that we're reforming FA when WOTLK is released, there seem to be a big missconception about the guild.
It seems that alot of pple, all former FA'ers, want a place to hang around while staying in their current raiding guild with their mains.
FA.WoW will not be a social guild and we will raid and do hardcore raiding, just 10-man content. I'm not sure if we will allow members in this guild who plan to play in another guild aswell, because then you simply cannot dedicate yourself 100% to FA.
And asmuch as we'd like all you FA'ers back, we are not your social guild where you can hang around while not raiding or join the occassional raid/5-man when not raiding on your main.
So plz STOP asking to be asked to FA.WoW or a guildinvite if you have no intention to join this guild for the raids.
We are considering, if needed, to remove all socials in the guild as it seems that pple think we're just a group where you can hang around while not raiding.
it is really retarded kj! no offence really but by this post alone u killed it! So to join the guild u must be 100% raider??? lol the only reason i want to be here is to socialize with my old friends not to raid. with aztecs i do have a 25 raid future i am not gonna give that away for "possible" raids and uncertainty. All i wanted is to take part in social events and have lolz with my old friends with no strings attached to raiding. being in another guild and keep in touch with guys here is kinda hard i think every1 would agree with that. If its sooooo hard for u to allow social i want to wish u all the best and peeps like: TD, ctp, viruk, cray, pete u know where to find me and i am srry i cant be there with u
Well we never let people in FA.WoW before that were raiding in another guild. You can't always get what you want, if you miss out on the social aspect by being in a guild so hardcore and "elite" that they can't even promote a social atmosphere then perhaps you've joined them for the wrong reason. Unlike the majority of guilds on Al'Akir at least, FA has always been about getting things done whilst having fun.
Personally I'd rather be in a guild with my friends having fun than in a guild just to satisfy my need to get a purple return on my monthly subscription, but maybe thats just me. Gotta love how WoW morphs the attitudes of MMO players.
Nightbrother
09-10-2008, 18:40
Leonti, in all fairness, from looking at the forums, these guys had this planned for a good long while now, so it shouldn't come as a too big surprise that they have chosen this, even though it's understandable that old FA'ers would want to socialize with old guildmates. :)
Kjeldoran
09-10-2008, 18:40
it is really retarded kj! no offence really but by this post alone u killed it! So to join the guild u must be 100% raider??? lol the only reason i want to be here is to socialize with my old friends not to raid. with aztecs i do have a 25 raid future i am not gonna give that away for "possible" raids and uncertainty. All i wanted is to take part in social events and have lolz with my old friends with no strings attached to raiding. being in another guild and keep in touch with guys here is kinda hard i think every1 would agree with that. If its sooooo hard for u to allow social i want to wish u all the best and peeps like: TD, ctp, viruk, cray, pete u know where to find me and i am srry i cant be there with u
No Leonti, the reason we reunited FA was to be a casual RAIDING guild, doing 10-man content. It was NEVER the purpose to be a social home for FA'ers that still play WoW but in another guild.
I also said we'd consider removing the Social status, I never said that decision was taken already. But you do understand that our main objective and focus is to get a raiding guild up and running ...
I'll add you to the FA.WoW team and I'll give you an social invite for now, but this thread is just to send a message across that we do expect to be a raiding guild and not some social club where you drop your alts at.
Rgds Kj
Kjeldoran
09-10-2008, 18:44
Leonti, in all fairness, from looking at the forums, these guys had this planned for a good long while now, so it shouldn't come as a too big surprise that they have chosen this, even though it's understandable that old FA'ers would want to socialize with old guildmates. :)
It is more then understandable, and believe me, it'd please me, above anything else, to have the FA core back with us and have some good old fun. But having 50 FA'ers on social and 5 of which who want to raid (while the others raid with their respective guilds) ... how is FA gonna survive then?
grindcore
09-10-2008, 19:20
I don't mean to sound rude, but if people are missing the old guys, the social atmosphere and the chat all so much, they wouldn't want to join the guild with some 5th or 6th alt to log on once a week or something.
It's the working together and aspiring the same goals, and succeeding, that will define FA-WoW in WotLK, and frankly, I'd like to quote a rather famous mister: "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country".
Fair point on moving forwards and the people needed to do so.
My only arguement against that is that FA is a community and has never denied anyone access to be part of FA in game. The socials shouldnt affect your raiding ability as that has always been the point of the social spot - although alts is a different story as per Avies post.
Kjeldoran
10-10-2008, 12:07
Fair point on moving forwards and the people needed to do so.
My only arguement against that is that FA is a community and has never denied anyone access to be part of FA in game. The socials shouldnt affect your raiding ability as that has always been the point of the social spot - although alts is a different story as per Avies post.
True, we've never turned down any Social apps from former FA'ers. But in order to get this new guild to work, our first priority is to find active raiders who are willing to play with FA, and not just hang around.
If we cannot establish ourselves as a raiding guild, be it casual 10-man raiding, then this guild won't survive, and therefor there will be no social aspect to any of this anyway.
We first need raiders, we can then add socials. If we add socials now, pple will think we're ok with it and that they don't need to raid with us to be a part of FA.
And sadly, unlike WAR, this game does not invite members to play endgame and be social :(
And sadly, unlike WAR, this game does not invite members to play endgame and be social :(
Might be misunderstanding that, but I'd assume you'd want your members to play endgame and be social... or would you rather have them be elitist selfish pricks? ^_^
Kjeldoran
10-10-2008, 16:53
Might be misunderstanding that, but I'd assume you'd want your members to play endgame and be social... or would you rather have them be elitist selfish pricks? ^_^
Ofcourse, but the first is a requirement for the 2nd ... If the guild isn't raiding, then there won't be a guild, hence no social or anything.
And that's my first priority.
grindcore
10-10-2008, 17:25
Might be misunderstanding that, but I'd assume you'd want your members to play endgame and be social... or would you rather have them be elitist selfish pricks? ^_^
Another view on what Kj tried to say is: in most other MMO-s, every social member can also contribute to the guild effort materially, whether by donating small amounts of gold or other resources, or joining the odd guild event once a few weeks or so.
In WoW, gold and other, non-raid resources are fairly useless because they're so easy to farm and everyone has loads. Before anyone comes in with "but hey I don't even have an epic flying mount, get a life" arguments, I made 1500 gold from 3 hours farming just a few days ago. That can sustain weeks, if not even a whole month of consumables and repair bills for raiding.
The only real contribution that matters for a guild in WoW endgame is being a regular raider. It sucks, but there's nothing we can do about it. Oh, and all the above text is taken from a material point of view only, the coolness effect that social members add is unmeasurably good. Unfortunately, as Kj said, unless we have a purpose, which is raiding, there won't be a guild to be social in. :(
If you want to play socially come join us in FA:WAR :P.
Kjeldoran
13-10-2008, 01:37
If you want to play socially come join us in FA:WAR :P.
Well, the big advantage of WAR is that it also motivates social play while WoW makes you a worthless git if you decide to go social there ... :)
I agree with Kj on this one, sort of.
First priority should be raiding, and there shouldnt be a social-status, except for non-active players who comes on an hour every day just to chat. There could be a "Non-Active" rank, for those who doesnt play anymore / only play for giggles and the social part.
Kjeldoran
13-10-2008, 11:36
:ninja:I agree with Kj on this one, sort of.
First priority should be raiding, and there shouldnt be a social-status, except for non-active players who comes on an hour every day just to chat. There could be a "Non-Active" rank, for those who doesnt play anymore / only play for giggles and the social part.
The problem with most of these social ones, is that they join FA with their alt to chat abit, while playing their mains elsewhere in another raiding guild.
And that is exactly what I'm trying to prevent.
rgds Kj
Yeah, that's what i'm trying to say; the social rank is purely for non-active players.
For instance:
Say that Hinch doesnt wanna raid at all, but he wants to come on now and then and chat a bit. So he joins FA as an "Non-Active" member.
No other mains, just the social stuff :)
Kjeldoran
13-10-2008, 13:20
Yeah, that's what i'm trying to say; the social rank is purely for non-active players.
For instance:
Say that Hinch doesnt wanna raid at all, but he wants to come on now and then and chat a bit. So he joins FA as an "Non-Active" member.
No other mains, just the social stuff :)
Ya, but picking Hinch might just have been the worst possible example you could imagine :)
Hinch doesn't chat nor masters the skill of social behavior :D
Ya, but picking Hinch might just have been the worst possible example you could imagine :)
Hinch doesn't chat nor masters the skill of social behavior :D
We can use him as a hat rack.
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